Spoilers Linda Danvers

[michealdark]

This would be a great oppurtunity to do something new with her. RIH implied that her powers and origins have been changed so that she's a fallen angel, so that opens new doors of possibility. She freaked out when she learned the truth, now the story should be how she comes to terms with this and how she can use this new aspect of her towards good. An angel was fierce enough, but one with a dark side should terrify villains.

[Rollie]

This would be a great oppurtunity to do something new with her. RIH implied that her powers and origins have been changed so that she's a fallen angel, so that opens new doors of possibility. She freaked out when she learned the truth, now the story should be how she comes to terms with this and how she can use this new aspect of her towards good. An angel was fierce enough, but one with a dark side should terrify villains.

michealdark

I like this. It would establish her as her own person and not someone tied to Superman. I think that is why the minor Kryptonians have so much of a problem winning over new fans.

[JRM]

thanks for your opinion buh -bye. Linda danvers was a great character as a super being and as just Linda danvers,daughter,friend,student. she shouldn't be compared to Kara,cause they aren't the same,Kara was born for the S,Linda was inspired and used the S as a hero in respect for superman. she really shouldn't even be in the superman universe anymore,she was always more of a magic,heaven and hell kind of character,and now that she doesn't have the S tag she can fully walk threw that door as her own character,not like Kara who will always be tied to superman.

stephens2177

I to disagreed with his assessment of PAD's run, but on the other hand lets do it in a courteous manner, eh.

Jim

[CoMike Norris]

thanks for your opinion buh -bye. linda danvers was a great character as a super being and as just linda danvers,daughter,friend,student. she shouldnt be compared to kara,cause they arent the same,kara was born for the S,linda was inpired and used the S as a hero in respect for superman. she really shouldnt even be in the superman universe anymore,she was always more of a magic,heaven and hell kind of character,and now that she doesnt have the S tag she can fully walk threw that door as her own character,not like kara who will always be tied to superman.

stephens2177

I agree. (surprised?)

What PAD did just didn't gel with the Superman mythos. As a stand alone character "Linda Danvers" works much better. The Supergirl ID was an ill fit. It detracted from the ideas and concepts PAD wanted to explore and gave the impression that PAD grafted them on to an existing character with out much thought or respect for that character.

[michealdark]

I like this. It would establish her as her own person and not someone tied to Superman. I think that is why the minor Kryptonians have so much of a problem winning over new fans.

Rollie

Man what I wouldn't give to get my hands on Linda! I just know this is a character I can do so much with. The main aspects of PAD's run where the spiritual implications of it. These are aspects still rarely dealt with in superhero books. Sure, some events like RIH try to deal with them, Sandman and Madam Xanadu deal with them in a different way, and the Top Cow universe is saturated in spirituality, especially the struggle between the Trinity, and matters of faith are important to certain characters like Daredevil, Maggie Kyle (Catwoman's sister), Raven (demon heritage, but raised by a goddess and tries to adhere to her teachings), and the Magdalena, but in general you have to step outside of mainstream books to really deal with these themes, to stuff like what PAD did with Fallen Angel and Linsner does with Dawn. I'm sure I could do all kinds of things with those themes though.

I agree. (surprised?) What PAD did just didn't gel with the Superman mythos. As a stand alone character "Linda Danvers" works much better. The Supergirl ID was an ill fit. It detracted from the ideas and concepts PAD wanted to explore and gave the impression that PAD grafted them on to an existing character with out much thought or respect for that character.

CoMike Norris

I don't really think that myself. Linda was inspired by Superman. Not to mention the fact that Matrix herself was tied to the Superman mythos (how quickly we forget that Linda Danvers the troubled young woman was only HALF of the being she became). I don't think there's anything wrong with a hero being inspired by another hero.

[Rollie]

Man what I wouldn't give to get my hands on Linda! I just know this is a character I can do so much with. The main aspects of PAD's run where the spiritual implications of it. These are aspects still rarely dealt with in superhero books. Sure, some events like RIH try to deal with them, Sandman and Madam Xanadu deal with them in a different way, and the Top Cow universe is saturated in spirituality, especially the struggle between the Trinity, and matters of faith are important to certain characters like Daredevil, Maggie Kyle (Catwoman's sister), Raven (demon heritage, but raised by a goddess and tries to adhere to her teachings), and the Magdalena, but in general you have to step outside of mainstream books to really deal with these themes, to stuff like what PAD did with Fallen Angel and Linsner does with Dawn. I'm sure I could do all kinds of things with those themes though.

michealdark

I think the lesser-known characters have so much potential. And as you said in order to make it happen you have to think outside the box so they stand on their own. Just trying to figuring out how my vision of Cir-El to think and react made me delve into psychology books and other resources for inspiration. (But I'll save that for another thread.)

Much like plants characters like Linda have to get out of Supes shadow and be allowed to grow and develop on their own. Just based off what you wrote there is a lot to work with. I'm curious of what you have in mind with her and look forward to reading more of your thoughts.

[michealdark]

You know, I'll have to sit down and write them out, but yeah, I'd love to post them.

[Call Me El]

What PAD did just didn't gel with the Superman mythos. As a stand alone character "Linda Danvers" works much better. The Supergirl ID was an ill fit. It detracted from the ideas and concepts PAD wanted to explore and gave the impression that PAD grafted them on to an existing character with out much thought or respect for that character.

CoMike Norris

I always felt that. His concepts worked much better in Fallen Angel.

As for Linda, how about a story arc with her taking over for Kara in the Flamebird role? it would get her out of Supes shadow.

Rollie

I think you mean Thara.

[michealdark]

I hope Chris and Thara survive. I wouldn't mind them getting married even. But Linda as Flamebird would be interesting.

[Rollie]

I always felt that. His concepts worked much better in Fallen Angel. I think you mean Thara.

Call Me El

yeah, I meant Thara..that whole "15 minutes to edit" thing doesn't help when you see that you've made a mistake 16 minutes after you've posted..lol

[MattDiCarlo]

Linda was a great character. She didn't necessarily need to be tied into the Superman mythos. In some ways, she existed primarily because she wasn't tied in. She was there to solve the problem of... "How do you have a Supergirl when Kal El has to be the Last Kryptonian, period?"

And I guess the answer was to make her as fascinating and original and interesting instead of just derivative.

Don't think for a moment that she wasn't totally tied into the DCU though. PAD was playing in the sandbox and he used all sorts of different toys.

[JRM]

Linda was a great character. She didn't necessarily need to be tied into the Superman mythos. In some ways, she existed primarily because she wasn't tied in. She was there to solve the problem of... "How do you have a Supergirl when Kal El has to be the Last Kryptonian, period?" And I guess the answer was to make her as fascinating and original and interesting instead of just derivative. Don't think for a moment that she wasn't totally tied into the DCU though. PAD was playing in the sandbox and he used all sorts of different toys.

MattDiCarlo

But at that time all of the superfamily were distinct, and interesting, now they are all basicly clones of the original. Sorry for me Dullsville.

Jim

[stephens2177]

i dont see why we cant have it all,superman and supergirl the kryptonians,conner and cir-el the hybrids,and linda and steel the inspired hereos.they all have things in common,but have so much that could make them stand apart from each other.

[michealdark]

Totally agree!

[Rollie]

But at that time all of the superfamily were distinct, and interesting, now they are all basicly clones of the original. Sorry for me Dullsville. Jim

JRM

I agree 100%.

i dont see why we cant have it all,superman and supergirl the kryptonians,conner and cir-el the hybrids,and linda and steel the inspired hereos.they all have things in common,but have so much that could make them stand apart from each other.

stephens2177

That would make a wierd reality show..lol

I think the problem is just that they fall under his shadow. They are not allowed to stand on their own.

Last night I read more into what they are doing with Linda. It's a good start. And Conner has SO much potential. They need to get them away from Earth and have some adventures on their own.

[stephens2177]

Totally agree!

michealdark

good 1 more vote.

i like chris,thara,and mon-el,but their futures are not with the superman family.chris and thara are gonna get stuck together in the phantom zone or whatever its called now in action comics,but they will be happy cause they will be together,and mon will be in the future with the legio.

superman,supergirl,superboy,cir-el,steel,linda,and krypto are the superman family to me,with all its different branches,batman has a huge bat family,even green lantern and flash are growing these days,the super family needs more than just kryptonians,but others that broaden the scope of what the S means,and actually having others like steel and linda around are good to shore up weaknesses they have.